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I’m sending this message to groups that would be read by Long Islanders.
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The list is only 8 days old and I’m trying to get the word out.

The more LI’ers on the list, the more info we can share.

Thanks
Richie
’95 Dodge 1500 SLT/Laramie FS

Any Good or Bad Comments about Engine Additives?

I have been interested in oil additives / engine treatments for a while,
and I have noticed a trend in the usenet groups.

A person asks a question similar to this:

I just bought a new car (or I have an older car that I want to keep), and
I was thinking about using an engine treatment (pick one here): Duralube
Prolong  Slick 50  TM8  2001  Motor up  Tufoil  T-Plus What do yall think
of using this?

And people reply with one of the following (or a combination or variation
of): ============= All those so-called engine treatments are pure SNAKE
OIL!  Change your oil & filter every 3000 miles and your engine will out
last the rest of your car!  Save your money! Or Stay away from those
things!  If you want the best possible lubrication / protection use a
good quality synthetic such as Mobil 1 or Castrol or Vavoline or Amsoil
or Redline.  Stick with one brand (don’t mix synthetics) and you will
have the best protection / lubrication in the world. Or Synthetics are
the best, but overkill.  Use a regular oil and change it every 3000
miles, or buy a synthetic blend.  The blend is a good value.  Pep boys or
some other auto store has a "house" blend that I can buy for 1.50 a
quart. Or Yea, I used it, didn’t notice anything good or bad, but I
figure, since it’s not hurting anything, I throw one in every 3 or 4 oil
changes in case it is doing something good ================== I would
like to hear comments from people who have actually used these things.
Good, bad, or neutral comments would be fine.

You don’t have to have "scientific evidence", a comment or two would be
fine, even if yo noticed no change.

Thanks in advance for sharing

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New Oils have LESS additives?

My sister’s, father-in-law works for a company called Lubrizol, (in Deer
Park, TX), and he was telling me some interesting things about oil
additives.  In case you are not familiar with Lubrizol, they are the
leading manufacture of engine oil additives (legitimate additives, not
snake oil) and other industrial lubricants (I believe they invented
Dextron ATF).  They do not sell any of these products to consumers,
however, they do sell their formulations to just about every major engine
oil producer (Mobil, Penzoil, Quaker State, Vavoline, Castrol, Exxon,
etc).  Now the formulation is not the same, each manufacture has
different spec’s that Lubrizol designs for the manufactures.  They buy
the package, and add their raw oil.  He told me some interesting
information that I thought I would pass on to everyone.

Two interesting side notes: He said that in years past, it was amazing to
see what so-called "major" oil companies would purchase.  He said that he
saw some huge MAJOR brands purchase the absolute minimum additive
package, where some less expensive brands bought "super premium"
packages.  (Of course, he said that there were some major brands
purchased very comprehensive packages, and he said that it was possible
that the "minimum package" that was purchased by a company might have
been supplemented by other additives by a different source.)  Of course
he did not name names.

Also, he said that in years past, a trick that mechanics used to use is
to mix Dextron ATF with engine oil and run that through an engine for a
while to clean it up.  He said that ATF was basically a very thin oil,
with a super detergent additive.  Of course, I take NO responsibility if
you do this yourself!

Anyway, he said to me that the latest spec’s for engine oil require LESS
additives than ever before.  He said that the new specs were designed by
the US govt. primarily  for the purpose of providing better fuel economy,
and that he believes that the govt. may be sacrificing your long term
engine care for getting the US to consume less fuel.

He says that Lubrizol’s clients are "spec-ing" LESS oil additives for
their engine oils  than ever before, so that they can comply with the
newer standards.

Now, to be fair, he is not a lubrication specialist, but Lubrizol is one
of the leading suppliers of lubrication additives,  and this is what the
news is around the company.

Does anyone else have any other comments / news / information on this
topic?

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Any other owners (96 Taurus GL sedan) have a problem with outside wind
noise (occurs at 55 mph and over) occuring? I have to turn up the
radio its so bad-sounds like a window is down type noise.,but it comes
from the front windshield.  thanks,Jim

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